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    PDF/EPUB The White Goddess A Historical Grammar of Poetic Myth OK so Graves was dead wrong about the Celts Still the White Goddess thesis that patriarchal invaders suppressed the mother goddess religions of the Aegean and Ancient Near East traces of which managed to survive in Europe es

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    PDF/EPUB The White Goddess A Historical Grammar of Poetic Myth Rambling nonsense when he steps beyond what he knowsMost of his ideas on the tree alphabet are his own and sourceless Unfortunately a lot of the

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    Read & Download ↠ PDF, DOC, TXT or eBook µ Robert Graves PDF/EPUB The White Goddess A Historical Grammar of Poetic Myth Robert Graves µ 0 Summary All right let me honest and start by saying this was totally my favorite book in the entire universe when I was like 11 Hands down It gave me my first sense of what scholarship might be if it were actually funNow I did end up becoming a professional scholar and one who probably does have too much fun for his own good so perhaps a word here is in orderThose people who say the book provides zero evidence for its

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    Free read The White Goddess A Historical Grammar of Poetic Myth Robert Graves µ 0 Summary Read & Download ↠ PDF, DOC, TXT or eBook µ Robert Graves Graves's phrase for what he does is poetic scholarship and I'm tempted to be generous and believe that what he means here really is th

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    Free read The White Goddess A Historical Grammar of Poetic Myth PDF/EPUB The White Goddess A Historical Grammar of Poetic Myth Robert Graves µ 0 Summary I came for the witchcraft I stayed for the poetics While I was on my one day book procurement trip to the booktown of Hay on Wye Wales I stopped at Richard Booth’s bookshop among many others and picked up Robert Graves’ The White Goddess I

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    Robert Graves µ 0 Summary Read & Download ↠ PDF, DOC, TXT or eBook µ Robert Graves Free read The White Goddess A Historical Grammar of Poetic Myth Wow I finished it That may not mean much to you but it really feels like an achievement to me especially given that I hav

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    Robert Graves µ 0 Summary Read & Download ↠ PDF, DOC, TXT or eBook µ Robert Graves PDF/EPUB The White Goddess A Historical Grammar of Poetic Myth I would call this Joe Campell's Power of Myth for grownups I've been thinking about this book recently but I have to admit I never got than halfway with it Nobody else I know has either but what I did take from it was worth the struggle Hopelessly inadeuate summary Graves belives that literature and poetry are magic real magic These arts obje

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    Read & Download ↠ PDF, DOC, TXT or eBook µ Robert Graves PDF/EPUB The White Goddess A Historical Grammar of Poetic Myth Robert Graves µ 0 Summary this is a massive endeavor and will take an eternity to read while i love cross referencing the divine feminine through the mystical traditions i can only take this book in small doses imagine the densest darkest fudge this is not for the faint of heart but a great resource i don't want to have to give it back to ira unr

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    Free read The White Goddess A Historical Grammar of Poetic Myth Read & Download ↠ PDF, DOC, TXT or eBook µ Robert Graves Robert Graves µ 0 Summary Whilst some have disputed Graves historical inaccuracies im not reading this for its historical account but rather for its mytho poetical inventiveness and inspiration of which I would say that it delivers handsomelyThe attempt to reconcile the Ancient Hebrew Greek and Celtic civilizations with an AegeanTuath De Danaan Diaspora is

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    Read & Download ↠ PDF, DOC, TXT or eBook µ Robert Graves PDF/EPUB The White Goddess A Historical Grammar of Poetic Myth Robert Graves µ 0 Summary It's almost impossible to read the Plath study without this book; apparently it was a huge influence on Plath while she was at Cambridge in the flat where she died there was a poster of the White Goddess tacked to the pantry

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  • Paperback
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  • The White Goddess A Historical Grammar of Poetic Myth
  • Robert Graves
  • English
  • 28 March 2018
  • 9780374504939

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characters » The White Goddess A Historical Grammar of Poetic Myth ¶ PDF, DOC, TXT or eBook Read & Download ↠ PDF, DOC, TXT or eBook µ Robert Graves Free read The White Goddess A Historical Grammar of Poetic Myth Oetic and religious scholarship Graves explores the stories behind the earliest of European deities the White Goddess of Birth Love and Death. I came for the witchcraft I stayed for the poetics While I was on my one day book procurement trip to the booktown of Hay on Wye Wales I stopped at Richard Booth s bookshop among many others and picked up Robert Graves The White Goddess I knew vaguely that the book was about the witch cults of Great Britain and something about druids and that s about it I had read several works that referenced Grave s book so I thought I d cut to the source and see what all the fuss was about I had expected an erudite study of witchcraft and its antecedents replete with thorough bibliography and oodles of footnotesNot soIn fact the book hardly mentions witches by name at least at all and there is no bibliography There are some footnotes but they are sometimes even cryptic and self referential than the text itself But I was far from disappointedThe White Goddess is one of those books like G del Escher Bach or Hamlet s Mill a rumination of sorts that only a genius will fully understand on the first read through a work rife with speculation and some arguably false jumps in logic but a brilliant work nonetheless It is above all Grave s very well informed opinion I ve read other reviews panning the work and I had my problems with it but I don t think that it should be rejected wholesaleIt is a deep deep well to draw the waters of knowledge from Yes Graves jumps from god to goddess from tree species to alphabetic characters from stag cults to bull cults then from the masculine bull cult to the feminine partridge cult implicating everyone from Achilles to Christ in the process and ends with a horribly trite last couple of chapters about politics and religion that could and should have just been abandoned Graves isn t apologetic about his promulgation of his own opinions and the fact that he is openly exploring the subject as he writes either I find it commendable actually that at one point he openly admits that some of the answers to the uestions he was exploring came to him as he was meditating as in doing a formal meditative practice He s not beholden to the sometimes stultifying idea that ideas need to come in some sort of controlled laboratory environment In fact Graves shows a certain disdain toward formal academia especially as it dulls the poetic senses there are no poetic secrets now except of course the sort which the common people are debarred by their lack of poetic perception from understanding and by their anti poetic education unless perhaps in wild Wales from respecting Such secrets even the Work of the Chariot may be safely revealed in any crowded restaurant or caf without fear of the avenging lightning stroke the noise of the orchestra the clatter of plates and the buzz of a hundred unrelated conversations will effectively drown the words and in any case nobody will be listeningI wonder somewhat though whether or not Graves was trying to inoculate himself against arguments from the outside that perhaps the rigor of his research was lacking While I feel sympathy and agreement with Grave s anti University tirades he has a couple in the book both reflective of some of the feelings I had and have about graduate school I also fear that populist anti intellectuals might use his arguments as justification for their own usually racist andor misogynistic goals Though Graves only really argues against the problems of formal college education his sentiments could easily be twisted into anti intellectual arguments the sort of which feed reactionary movements But since he takes a secularized view of Christianity and in fact pushes for a further split between the views of the Historical Jesus and the Mystical Christ such reactionary movements are likely to become very confused by Graves work Besides the gaps in Graves arguments regarding early Christianity are big enough to drive a semi through Still I like his chutzpah and the fact that he s willing to play the provocateur as he forces the reader to think about exactly why he s wrong It s almost like he s taunting his audience into reactingAs a result of all this deconstruction and reweaving of myth it is very difficult to pin down Graves theses One thesis is that of the poetic continuity of the worship of The White Goddess in ancient times through the Irish and Welsh poetic traditions by way of the Greeks mainly the Dannites if I understood correctly and even further through the cult of Mary and Jesus Much of the last half of the book is dedicated to these arguments I found them somewhat convincing but I still have strong doubts about a few of his inferences regarding some sects of Christianity and the Jewish tradition from which they stemmedAnother thesis that I find of great interest is that the true language of the goddess is traceable through the correlating of evidences in the Ogham alphabet relating to certain trees which correspond in turn with positions on a dolmen which correspond with calendrical events which correspond with the fingers and palms of the hand which correspond with certain animals which Yes it gets exhausting at times My interest waned and was about to leave me altogether when the book posits that specific positions on the fingers and palms of the human hand correspond with specific letters in the Ogham alphabet When I read this and the example given it clicked This was Thieves Cant or a mystical esoteric euivalent Hidden coded messages couched in a poetic language of signs Of course this was 300 pages in but well worth the waitThough there are many other sub theses that I will not address the third thesis that I found to be of most interest was probably incidental than central I also found it to be the most poignant It has to do with methodology and echoes with some of the same laments as the earlier uoted paragraph Graves says What interests me most in conducting this argument is the difference that is constantly appearing between the poetic and prosaic methods of thought The prosaic method was invented by the Greeks of the Classical age as an insurance against the swamping of reason by mythographic fancy It has now become the only legitimate means of transmitting useful knowledge And in England as in most other mercantile countries the current popular view is that music and old fashioned diction are the only characteristics of poetry which distinguish it from the prose that ever poem has or should have a precise single strand prose euivalent As a result the poetic faculty is atrophied in every educated person who does not privately struggle to cultivate it very much as the faculty of understanding pictures is atrophied in the Bedouin Arab TE Lawrence once showed a coloured crayon sketch of an Arab Sheikh to the Sheikh s own clansmen They passed it from hand to hand but the nearest guess as to what it represented came from a man who took the sheikh s foot to be the horn of a buffalo And from the inability to think poetically to resolve speech into its original images and rhythms and re combine them on several simultaneous levels of thought into a multiple sense derives the failure to think clearly in prose In prose one thinks on only one level at a time and no combination of words needs to contain than a single sense nevertheless the images resident in words must be securely related if the passage is to have any bite This simple need is forgotten what passes for simple prose nowadays is a mechanical stringing together of stereotyped word groups without regard for the images contained in the The mechanical style which began in the counting house has now infiltrated into the university some of its most zombiesue instances occurring in the works of eminent scholars and divinesI may not agree with the vociferousness of Grave s obvious rancor but I agree with the premise We have lost the mindset of poetics having surrendered to a stiff logic that doesn t allow for the breadth of poetic expression and in fact mocks it as an obfuscation of clarity But this obfuscation was intentional meant to keep the secrets of the mystical cults of the past to hide the mysteries of life and the universe to all but the initiated The initiated have been suppressed in the modern age As a result the skill of poetic interpretation has died on the vine and we may never be able to bring it back However I feel that there will always be a poetic underground that does the work necessary to carry on the essential esoteric tradition of the bards I hold a hidden hope

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characters » The White Goddess A Historical Grammar of Poetic Myth ¶ PDF, DOC, TXT or eBook Read & Download ↠ PDF, DOC, TXT or eBook µ Robert Graves Free read The White Goddess A Historical Grammar of Poetic Myth The White Goddess is perhaps the finest of Robert Graves's works on the psychological and mythological sources of poetry In this tapestry of p. Rambling nonsense when he steps beyond what he knowsMost of his ideas on the tree alphabet are his own and sourceless Unfortunately a lot of the celtic magic industry owes too much to this as a gospel of sorts Better and scholarly book are out there if you can be bothered looking But they are without the glamour of Graves which I suppose is part of the attraction to the sidhe huggersEditThis is a dreadful bookyet I ve read it twice the 1st time in the early 80s and again in 13 It hasn t gotten any better On the re read I read critically and cross ref d him After the 1st read I had a bee in my bunnet about his made up tree alphabet nonsense see above review on the 2nd read I now realise he just made up pretty much everything else tooGraves and I am a fanboy for most of his other work comes across as an arrogant arseHe seems to use the No True Scotsman attitude when discussing poetry He discounts any poetry as not being real or true poetry if it doesn t conform to his standards He seems to be saying you have to be of celtic stock whatever that means and a heterosexual male to be a poetand only if you write on certain themes and have muse like inspiration at that cause that s all women are good forwell that and the orgies and temple prostitution obviouslyAnd he makes no mention of Burns or Yeats who pretty much fit his definition sour grapes on his partI like his fiction but I have the feeling he was a bit of a dickBut this book isn t really about poetry or historyyet it claims to be The historical evidence is hammered and moulded to fit his hypothesis with contradictory ideas ignored or glossed over Graves bases a chunk of his arguments on a re ordering of the old Welsh poem Cad Goddeu yet he has no Welsh and uses in his own words DW Nash s mid Victorian translation said to be unreliable but the best at present availableThen he goes ahead and juggles the orderSee what s going on hereHe s making it up based on a poor translation hammering the facts to fit his hypothesisIf someone had no understanding of any other text s original language and then used a poor translation prior to re ordering the entire text to fit an idea would we be as tolerantI hope notAnd this techniue isn t limited to this one poem it is his default methodHe says amongst other things this must be a mistake and a stanza has been suppressed when he isn t getting the confirmation of his hypothesis he wants He has re arranged entire poemsThere s a lot of perhaps likely seemed suggests obviously evidently in this bookthey miraculously transform into what Graves sees as solid fact at the end of ch7 conclusive proof Yet he has claimed fact is not truth but a poet who willfully defies fact cannot achieve truthSniff sniffwhat s that smellAlso he seems to show little demarcation between deities x appears to be y who is actually z but on closer inspection is really the same as a who was worshipped as b etc etc etc This syncretism is all well and good but when the Venn diagram of deities ignores everything but the bits that fit his hypothesis and the focus is purely on the overlap I start to smell shite in the argumentI m with Francis Bacon when he says The root of all superstition is that men observe when a thing hits but not when it misses Rambling havering keechdata ignored or manipulated poems re ordered poets sneered at women paradoxically praised and dismissed in eual measurehad he just been chucked by his wenchbirdmuse prior to this or somethingI got the impression Graves was a bit xenophobic homophobic and sexist OK I don t know if he actually was homophobic etcbut he occasionally makes comments that are a bit off Now there may be a part of this due to him being a man of his timebut considering the hypothesis in TWG it jars a bit But there s an irony here though isn t there That a foundation text for modern wicca and neo paganism both fairly female friendly is this way How do folk suare it in their heads I think there s some cognitive dissonance going onAs a foundation text for modern paganism it often appears in bibliographies and notes to bolster neo pagan ideasyet it has little substance itself Many of them unuestioningly use TWG as a source and assume an authenticity and robustness to Graves arguments that just isn t therelike building in a bog without making sure the pilings are solidHe has become an authority figure and this text is used again and again when discussing ideas around goddessy and sacred king type ideas yet on examination many areas he explores in TWG are his own with little basis in ancient tradition I wonder if many folk that have read this have actually paid attention I mean critically read it Or if most just assume Graves is correct and then use him as refHe seems as enthusiastic about ritual killings and orgies as he is about the whole treecalendaralphabet thingyet I ve never known anyone that has read this book wax as lyrically on those subjectsAnd the drivel he spouts on lame kings is interesting but still drivelBut I can get Graves text as a personal mythology and as something to give insight into his other workand I get the fact that he had no intention of starting a pagan revival see his disdain for wicca and neo paganism in general in some of his work But for me it is pretty much all supposition based on guesswork based on reworking of bad translationsNow I shall put this away and never touch it againafter I have driven a stake through the textthe stake obviously of a wood that has suitably mythopoeic resonances for true poets

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characters » The White Goddess A Historical Grammar of Poetic Myth ¶ PDF, DOC, TXT or eBook Read & Download ↠ PDF, DOC, TXT or eBook µ Robert Graves Free read The White Goddess A Historical Grammar of Poetic Myth Who was worshipped under countless titles He also uncovers the obscure and mysterious power of pure poetry and its peculiar and mythic languag. this is a massive endeavor and will take an eternity to read while i love cross referencing the divine feminine through the mystical traditions i can only take this book in small doses imagine the densest darkest fudge this is not for the faint of heart but a great resource i don t want to have to give it back to ira unread so wish me luck